Linus Torvalds declara descontentamento com Gnome 3
Linus Torvalds publicou comentários num post do kernel hacker Dave Jones no Google+, falando sobre seus verdadeiros sentimentos sobre o Gnome 3: "não é que eu tenha problemas de renderização com o gnome3 (embora eu tenha estes também), é que a experiência de usuário do Gnome3 mesmo sem problemas de renderização é inaceitável". As pessoas se preocupam com o que Linus pensa, e quando ele largou o KDE pelo Gnome há alguns anos atrás, as pessoas tomaram nota. Agora ele está usando Xfce.
Linus Torvalds - While you are at it, could you also fork gnome, and support a gnome-2 environment?
I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3.
I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3.
26/07/2011
+670
Dirk Hohndel - +Dave Jones I may have a somewhat boring setup... but I'm sorry, I think your decision is wrong. Even if this were to break my setup... that's the point of Fedora. Get wide testing for things like this. It's easy enough to revert back to the previous kernel if it doesn't work for you. Next stop: bug report and things get fixed.
Calling it 2.6.40 hides all these problems.
Calling it 2.6.40 hides all these problems.
26/07/2011
+2
Dirk Hohndel - +Dave Jones +Linus Torvalds Even if Gnome developers like it (and I doubt that they are using their laptops for actual work if they do), that still means that the rest of us are going AAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGGGRRRRRRLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
I have actually switched to xfce - and I remember you, Dave, aren't using Gnome, either. xfce is way inferior to Gnome 2. But Gnome 3 is just completely unusable as far as I'm concerned. As is the latest flavor of KDE :-(
Hey, I'm giving the opening keynote at the desktop summit in Berlin next week. Those would be great opening statements, don't you think?
I have actually switched to xfce - and I remember you, Dave, aren't using Gnome, either. xfce is way inferior to Gnome 2. But Gnome 3 is just completely unusable as far as I'm concerned. As is the latest flavor of KDE :-(
Hey, I'm giving the opening keynote at the desktop summit in Berlin next week. Those would be great opening statements, don't you think?
26/07/2011
+35
Cyrill Gorcunov - +Linus Torvalds I simply switched to "Forced Fallback Mode", it renders like old gnome
26/07/2011
+4
Chris Mason - The question isn't so much should fedora break things, but when. I'd say 2.6.40 is a good compromise for f15 and leave the 3.0 goodness for later full releases.
26/07/2011
Linus Torvalds - +Cyrill Gorcunov: it's not that I have rendering problems with gnome3 (although I do have those too), it's that the user experience of Gnome3 even without rendering problems is unacceptable.
Why can't I have shortcuts on my desktop? Why can't I have the expose functionality? Wobbly windows? Why does anybodysane think that it's a good idea to have that "go to the crazy 'activities'" menu mode?
I used to be upset when gnome developers decided it was "too complicated" for the user to remap some mouse buttons. In gnome3, the developers have apparently decided that it's "too complicated" to actually do real work on your desktop, and have decided to make it really annoying to do.
Here's an example of "the crazy": you want a new terminal window. So you go to "activities" and press the "terminal" thing that you've made part of your normal desktop thing (but why can't I just have it on the desktop, instead of in that insane "activities" mode?). What happens? Nothing. It brings your existing terminal to the forefront.
That's just crazy crap. Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one. Yeah, that's a real user experience improvement. Sure.
I'm sure there are other ways, but that's just an example of the kind of "head up the arse" behavior of gnome3. Seriously. I have been asking other developers about gnome3, they all think it's crazy.
I'm using Xfce. I think it's a step down from gnome2, but it's a huge step up from gnome3. Really.
Why can't I have shortcuts on my desktop? Why can't I have the expose functionality? Wobbly windows? Why does anybodysane think that it's a good idea to have that "go to the crazy 'activities'" menu mode?
I used to be upset when gnome developers decided it was "too complicated" for the user to remap some mouse buttons. In gnome3, the developers have apparently decided that it's "too complicated" to actually do real work on your desktop, and have decided to make it really annoying to do.
Here's an example of "the crazy": you want a new terminal window. So you go to "activities" and press the "terminal" thing that you've made part of your normal desktop thing (but why can't I just have it on the desktop, instead of in that insane "activities" mode?). What happens? Nothing. It brings your existing terminal to the forefront.
That's just crazy crap. Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one. Yeah, that's a real user experience improvement. Sure.
I'm sure there are other ways, but that's just an example of the kind of "head up the arse" behavior of gnome3. Seriously. I have been asking other developers about gnome3, they all think it's crazy.
I'm using Xfce. I think it's a step down from gnome2, but it's a huge step up from gnome3. Really.
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